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I was reading an article in the Wikipedia on Jewish philosophy at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_philosophy and the section far down the page at:

“Traditionalist attitudes towards philosophy”

which reads: “Haredi traditionalists who emerged in reaction to the Haskalah considered the fusion of religion and philosophy as difficult because classical philosophers start with no preconditions for which conclusions they must reach in their investigation, while classical religious believers have a set of religious principles of faith that they hold one must believe. Most Haredim contended that one cannot simultaneously be a philosopher and a true adherent of a revealed religion. In this view, all attempts at synthesis ultimately fail. Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, for example, viewed all philosophy as untrue and heretical. In this he represents one strand ofHasidic thought, with creative emphasis on the emotions.

Other exponents of Hasidism had a more positive attitude towards philosophy. In the Chabadwritings of Schneur Zalman of Liadi, Hasidut is seen as able to unite all parts of Torah thought, from the schools of philosophy to mysticism, by uncovering the illuminating Divine essence that permeates and transcends all approaches. Interpreting the verse from Job, “from my flesh I seeHaShem”, Shneur Zalman explained the inner meaning, or “soul”, of the Jewish mystical tradition in intellectual form, by means of analogies drawn from the human realm. As explained and continued by the later leaders of Chabad, this enabled the human mind to grasp concepts of Godliness, and so enable the heart to feel the love and awe of HaShem, emphasised (sic) by all the founders of hasidism, in an internal way. This development, the culminating level of the Jewish mystical tradition, in this way bridges philosophy and mysticism, by expressing the transcendent in human terms.”

I’ve quoted the entire piece so it will be clear that I’m not trying to distort the meaning of the article. This is an objective factual article and the arthur is not advocating any personal stand on the subject.

The article is on the subject of Jewish philosophy, but if you remove the Jewish aspects you get a contrast that applies to all Fundamentalist vs Rationalist.

The extracts below were made by me because they jumped out as such a clear and concise statement of two ways of looking at reality.

(1.) Those who’s view of reality is predicated on faith;

(“… have a set of … principles of faith that they hold one must believe.”

“… one cannot simultaneously be a philosopher and a true adherent of a revealed religion.”

viewing “…all philosophy as untrue and heretical.”

And supporting their views “… with creative emphasis on the emotions.”)

and:

(2.) Those who’s view of really is predicated on reason;

(“… start with no preconditions for … conclusions they must reach in their investigation,” .)

These statements grabbed my attention because I had been pondering over the growing divide between these same two view’s of reality that is occurring today.

The “emphasis on the emotions” was especially significant; the idea that knowledge can come from emotion. Knowledge has only 6 sources: the five senses, (sight, hearing, smell, touch, and taste;) and the 6th; reason (or logic.) Starting at birth our brains continuously use the input from the senses to build synapses between our brain cells, accumulating knowledge and building a picture in our mind of reality. The more synapses the more data available for our reason to build a picture and understanding of reality. There is no guarantee that the view of reality that our brains build is true reality, but the input from our senses and the analysis of that input by our reasoning is the only source we have of what reality is. The emotions can NEVER be a source of knowledge or a way of determining what reality is. Yet the emotions can be and frequently are used as a way of validating ideas that have no basis in our sensory knowledge and can not stand up to logic. For example our parents used emotions (excitement [at the prospect] , joy [at the discovery] , and maybe a little fear [at the beginning]) to get us to ignore the lack of sensory data and accept the really of the Tooth Fairy. When the first tooth was placed under the pillow because we were told the Tooth Fairy would come in the night and change it into a coin, there may have been some doubt about this happening. (Even children’s minds depend upon sensory data and logic [limited tho it maybe] to understand reality.) If we woke during the night we checked to see if it’d happened; still some doubt. But when morning came, and the tooth was gone, the coin was there, the emotions became the force that convinced our minds to accept the reality of the Tooth Fairy in spite of the lack of any sensory or logic evidence of this knowledge. The same use of emotion applies to children’s belief in Santa and the Easter Bunny. Parents may not (and probably aren’t) conscious of what is being done.

A good (and by good I mean only successful) orator does exactly the same thing. By presenting ideas while stimulating the audiences emotions, the orator gets the audience to accept ideas as valid that have no basis in the five senses and that a non-emotional consideration by the minds reasoning powers would reject BECAUSE there is no such basis.

Michelle Bachmann seems to be missing a great opportunity in her battle for the Republican Presidential nomination. If she can call the earth quake and hurricane Irene God’s vengeance for us electing Obama President she should be calling the Texas fires God’s vengeance for electing Rick Perry Governor. (Makes sense to me!)
Russ

Sep 032011
I think it may be instinctive in humans to be curious about where we came from and who we are. We've invented hundreds if not thousands of creation  stories during our short tenure on the planet. My own interest probably was stimulated by my upbringing in the home of a Minister.  The exposure to the Biblical version of the history of mankind definitely contributed to my interest in history (which led to my … … but that is NOT the subject of this piece.)  

My interest in genealogy is just another aspect of the human curiosity about where I came from and who I am. Until recently I never got actively involved in looking for answers to the personal side of that question. I asked a few questions over the years about ancestors to my parents, but doing anything more was beyond my time, my means, my ability, or my interest.  But thanks to the US military/academic/industrial complex  we now have the internet.  For the last few months I have been making use of that bit of  "wasteful government spending" with amazing results.  It is incredible how much information is now available to those wanting to trace their family trees from the comfort of their own living room. BUT, and this is why I'm writing this, care must be taken.  As unbelievable as it may seem, not EVERYthing on the internet is true!!  I know that's hard to accept, but it is fact.  I know there are errors. I've seen things like people having places of residence or giving birth to children 30 years after the date of their death or when they are only 5 years old or to their own grandpa even!  

In building the websites I've put up and the trees I've built at Ancestry.com I've tried to never completely rely on information I find unless I can see it on the original documents.  And even these can be suspect since the purpose of the documents at the time they were being prepared never included the future study of genealogist. I've discovered that it is not unusual for names to change.  For example, someone whose true name is  William Edward may appear in a census report at age 5 as Eddie, then in the next census 10 years later at age 15 he shows up as Billy (maybe with a different "father" or "mother" in the household) and finally, when he's age 25 another 10 years later he's W.E while on the record of his marriage he's William. Thats a rather easy one to figure out, if your lucky enough to find others in the household that clearly match and the last name hasn't changed.  Then there are the Anna Elizabeths who change from being Ann SoandSo at age 7 to Bessie SomeoneElse when their widowed mother remarries 10 years later or the Silas who shows up as Silvania in a household with a different last name in another state between age 4 and age 14, changing not only his name but his sex according to the transcribed data.  (Fortunately I was able to find this mistake after looking at page after page of census reports.) Finding the true past gets hard when parents remarry or both die before the children are all grown and when they move to a different state.  Sometimes you can only find the clue by paging through documents like census reports until you find, living close by, the parents of someone who doesn't seem to be in the right place and who therefore might not be the right person and suddenly a little more research reveals it is the right person only he or she is now living down the street with the family of a maternal aunt.  Now you become curious.  There's a story there about  what might have been going on in the family that will never be told. So many stories.  

I am amazed at the limited supply of names families are able to create when they seem to be so prolific at creating kids who need them. (That was supposed to make you chuckle.) In just 3 generations in some families (I'm talking about my ancestors so I can get away with saying this) the size of a family can grow from 5 or 6 individuals to more than 100 and yet the number of names used in the family only grows from 3 or 4 to maybe 7 or 8!  That doesn't make identifying who was who's descendent any easier.  

I've searched through a lot of information, all of it online and I keep going back and reexamining the information I have gathered and the sources I've used and finding new ones.  I also keep finding new incongruities or just plain errors and I'm sure there are still more.   If you see any on any of the family trees I've been working on don't  hesitate to point them out to me.  Doesn't mean I'll take your word for it, but I'll check it out to see what information I can find to either confirm or refute either your view or mine…eventually.
Russ

Sep 012011
Fundamentalism

This is a condensed summary of what Fundamentalist Christians believe. There is only one God. God is a Spirit. (That is he has no physical or material existence. [Unless he chooses to have one like when he “became flesh and dwelt among us.”]) God is omniscient (all knowing [although he sometimes asks questions like “Adam, where [...]

My father, a fundamentalist Baptist Minister, opposed, (no he was actually angered), by public events that included pray.  He based his opinion of such acts on the verses which you can check out here: http://bible.cc/matthew/6-5.htm and here http://bible.cc/matthew/6-6.htm and here http://bible.cc/mark/12-17.htm and here http://bible.cc/john/9-31.htm.  He agreed with Billy Graham that what these verses made abundantly clear was that  ” Sin erects a barrier between us [...]

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